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HOT...What most preachers and Denominations do not want you to ask or to find out: Jesus survived the crucifixion and lived, mostly on Kashmir, until his 90's.  His grave in Shrinigar is known and may be visited.  This verifiable fact about Jesus surviving the crucifixion topples all traditional theologies built on Paul's "Christ": which "Christ" never existed and could not be the answer to anything.  Example (1): Since Jesus did not die on the cross, therefore he did not did to cancel everyone's sins.  Major denominations do not dare let you learn this!  How do WE know it?  Continue:

   We can be sure that Jesus survived the crucifixion because it is now known the Shroud of Turin is dated first century and therefore the man of the Shroud is almost certainly our historic Jesus.  And the Shroud can tell us the man of the Shroud was not dead.  In 1988 media announced carbon 14 dating tests of the Shroud were to be conducted and pieces were cut from the Shroud in order to conduct the carbon 14 tests.  But investigators have since learned that the Shroud samples were switched and carbon 14 testing teams were instead given samples of cloth already known to be certainly dated 14th century!  Somebody WANTED the carbon 14 tests to be falsified!  For the evidence on the switching see: Kersten and Gruber: The Jesus Conspiracy; Element Publishers, 1994.  Also see: Hoare: The Shroud Is Genuine; The Irrefutable Evidence: Souvenir Press, 1995.*

   Whoever placed the "widow's mite" coins on the eyes of the man of the Shroud, at that moment thought he was dead.  The head was elevated and the arms were crossed at the level of the groin, making the head and hands the high points of the resting body. Then the alum soaked cloth was placed over him.  BUT, big SURPRISE!  Bloodstains appeared on the cloth at the wrists and head, showing that the heart was still pumping fresh blood uphill to the head and hands!  It is impossible for corpses to continue to bleed.  Also rigour mortice should have by then begun to set in, but the resting posture shows that it had not.  THEREFORE, Jesus was still alive and had never died!  And urgent rescue endeavor began immediately!  He was still King!

    Our theory here is that Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus believed Jesus had died.  That's why they were burying him.  But, during the burial proceedure, Jesus revived.  Joseph and Nicodemus witnessed the recovery.  But because they believed Jesus had been dead, then Joseph and Nicodemus would think there had been a resurrection.  However, WE, these days, can be certain Jesus had never been completely dead.  The Shroud and also historical records tell us so.

    Could Jesus himself have believed there had been a resurrection?  These days, people undergoing operations in hospitals are sometimes, for a few minutes, declared to be clinically dead, but then revived.  Of these, about half have had out-of-the-body experiences.  They can see the body and the doctors working on it and can relate what was said and done.  If, while near death, Jesus had such an out-of-body experience, he might himself believe he had been briefly dead.  But he certainly was not dead three days!  People do not have to be divine for it to happen.   With modern hospital techniques, out-of-body experiences are becoming rather common-place.

    The first churchmen might reason thusly:  If there has been a resurrection, then Jesus must have been divine.  And if divine, then maybe the healings they remembered were supernatural miracles.  Jesus was not crucified to be sacrifice for other peoples sins.  He was crucified for having almost become King.  But gradually it took place that there was a shift from the King Messiah to making Jesus instead be universal paganism's dying-rising god who forgives sins.   For more about Paganism, visit our page 7.

  But we of later years, have to be governed by the verifiable facts of history which tell us otherwise from what the first churchmen came to believe.  We have the advantage of knowing what took place subsequently, which information the first churchmen were not given. The real Jesus would not want Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus and the apostles to know what had become of him. Both for their protection and his own protection.  If they knew, Romans or Jews might subject the disciples to extreme torture in order to extract the information about the whereabouts of Jesus.  It would be better for both disciples and Jesus himself if Jesus just disappeared to quarters unknown to them.  He would know there could not be safety in any part of the world controlled by Romans.   So he would go Eastward, out of the realm of Romans. And which Eastern world he had already traveled and knew.  Back in Palestine, disciples might, needing SOME kind of public explaination, guess that he had been taken up to heaven.  THEY did not have better information.  But because we, of these days, who have the facts of history before us, know better.  Jesus departed for other regions, intentionally leaving behind, no information about his whereabouts.  We have to be governed by these known facts of history, not by the guess-work of early disciples.

   Holger Kersten's book, Jesus Lived In India; Element Books, supplies details of documents, traditions and place names indicating Jesus had been traveling toward India and also describes the tomb of Jesus in Kashmir. I'll suppliment Kersten's documentation in places.  The Roman governor of Phonecia, Lebanon, Bithynia and Egypt, Sossianus Hierocles, left us a work called, To The Christians.  Saying, "After fleeing from the Jews, Christ collected as many as nine hundred men, given to robbery". (Roman rulers were inclined to call any dissedent a robber).   Damascus at that time, was a safe haven for Essenes.  While Jesus was not an Essene, he would have felt relatively safe there.  Five kilometers out of Damascus is a court-yard still called, "The place where Jesus lived".  The Persian historian Mir Kawand has cited several sources claiming Jesus lived and taught in Damascus following the crucifixion. Paul came there two years after the crucifixion, so it could be possible Jesus was there at the same time.  It would no longer be a safe haven.

   Kurds still maintain traditions that Jesus dwelt among them for a number of years.  Next he appeared at a royal wedding in Armenia.  Armenia and Eddesa, on the Euphrates, were the first two nations to become officially Christian. Jesus, in person, visited both after the crucifixion. While at the wedding, he was reunited with Apostle Thomas who had independently also come to the ocassion. Jesus wanted Thomas to be a missionary to India, but Thomas demurred, saying he wasn't up to it.  So Jesus sold Thomas as a slave to a merchant returning to South India.  Evidently Jesus and Thomas traveled together as far as Kashmir.  The merchant, Abban, had been commissioned by King Gundafor to find a carpenter.  Jesus took the job for three pounds of silver.  There, according to The Acts Of Thomas, Gundafor intrusted to Thomas, an immense sum of money to build a palace. Instead, Thomas distributed the money to the poor. Eventually, Gundafor approved.  In S.E. India, Thomas converted many to Christianity which groups Marco Polo visited while on his return trip to Europe.  The Portugese explorer Vasco de Gama found many Christians, converts of Thomas, in S.W. India.

 The court poet of the Emperor of India Akbar called Jesus "Yus a Kristo", "Thou, whose name is Yus or Christ".   Akbar had two previously unknown quotations from Jesus inscribed on a bridge to a city Akbar rebuilt.

   The ancient narratives of the Hindus are the Puranas (=old). The ninth volume has an account dating from the fifth century telling of how Jesus came to Kashmir.  Shalivahan, having cleared the land of Hindus, Chinese, and other aliens, so that only Aryans dwelt there, went to the Himilayas.   Where he found Jesus, and brought him to Kashmir. Kashmir had many Israelites since their deportations from Palestine by Assyrians 745 to 715 B.C.  Israelic shepards still call a particular meadow, "The place where Jesus preached".

  Along the old Silk Route are several cities with place names indicating Jesus had been there for a time.  One such place, only a few miles from Shrinigar, is called Mari.  And according to tradition, Mary died there and there is a tomb shrine to Mary there. This however seems to conflict with the Avalon tradition about Mary.  In his youth Jesus built, with his own hands, a house in what is now Glastonbury, England.  After the crucifixion, Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus and others used this building as a church. Which existed as the number one shrine of England until the fire in the 1100's. For many centuries all Kings of England came there for their coronation. Mary came there and the building became known as "Mary's house".  Avalon claims Mary is buried in a place of honor in front of where the pulpit stood.  James, the brother of Jesus, attended the funeral in the year 44.

  Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons, Gaul, at the end of the second century, knew Jesus had lived at least until his 50's.  Another of the French bishops knew of a story that came out of Persia.  As Jesus approached a village one time, a group of men were looking at a dead dog, a disgusting sight.  But Jesus said, "What beautiful teeth he had!".

  SO, Jesus did revive, sojourning first, for one and a half years in Damascus, at that time, a safe haven for Essences.  Then, taking 16 years to travel through Armenia, Kurdistan, and Persia to Tibet.  From whence he was removed by the ruler of Kashmir, to Kashmir where Jesus lived the rest of his long life.  He did not claim to be divine and performed no miracles in Kashmir.  He had been Messiah (=King) to his people in Palestine because he was born to be KING, and was crucified as King (see all four canonical gospels) and if he became the government, then ECONOMIC relief soon was portended.  He DID occupy the Temple, the seat of government, for three days.  But his rule was cut short and he never tried to return to Palestine.  He had already done all he could for them, and the sayings he left behind are immortal.

EXAMPLE (2) Jesus could have made a "second-coming" to Palestine at any time had he wanted to. He had 50 years or so to do it!   He was probably still living in Kashmir when "Apocalypse John" came out with his thing called the book of Revelation. In the Biblical "Revelation" book, it is not the real Jesus speaking--it instead is Paul's "Christ". Which Paul's "Christ" could not know anything about anything.  SO, it is not the real Jesus who comes out with end-of the world stuff!  Instead it is Paul's "Christ" which never existed, making predictions that never came to pass.  Of course the predicted things never happen!  THIS "Christ" never existed, and could not know anything about anything!  Apocalypse theology entirely collapses!

 After the Romans sacked Jerusalem in 70 A.D., there would be no more reason for Jesus to return to resume becoming King.  There was no more Jerusalem to return to.

  The court poet of the King Akbar of India, (one of the truely great figures of history),described Jesus as: AiKiNam-i=to: Yas a Kristo, or "Thou, whose name is Yuz or Christ"

  Krestan sites numerous traditions maintained by the Eastern Afganistans, that the real Jesus visited them.

  The (5th century), ninth volume, of the Hindu Puraranas (Old volume) contains an account of how Jesus came to be in India.   Shalivahan, vanquished the Hindus, Chinese and other non-Aryans in Kashmir. And drew a boundry between Aryans and others.  And went to the Himilayas to find Jesus, the Messiah, and bring him to Kashmir, where Jesus remained until his middle 90's. And where his revered tomb is today!

  Most Churchmen, precious, devout saints, are converted to the wrong Christ because they just don't know any better!  Powerful "you-know-who's" don't dare let them find out what's what either!  Good-news: "Their" whole system, based on Paul, not the real Jesus, comes crashing down for the immense improvement of the gospel!  Stay with us!

*FOOTNOTE to The Shroud Of Turin thoughts: A serious challenge to our contention that the Shroud is authentic, has recently emerged with Walter McCrone's assertion that there are no blood stains on the Shroud, only red-orchre and vermillon pigments. Our tendency here is, pending further developments, is to disregard McCrone's assertions for a number of reasons: (1) It seems at least half the scientists do not accept McCrone's "research" qualifications. Among the skeptics are Kerstin and Gruber in whom we do have high confidence. (2) McCrone made a similar preliminary announcement in the 70's that the blood stains were painted on red-ochre. But investigators then found only a few grains of red-ochre the presence of which could be attributed to other causes. (3) It has been impossible to describe how the stains or anything else could have been painted on. There is no known technique that could account for a painted on image, and no brush strokes are detectable (4) McCrone's work has also been found to be scientifically unacceptable in analysing the Vineland map. McCrone's lab failed compare the ink with ink of other ancient maps and made assertions that could not be backed up. Claiming that such ink as was used on the Vineland map could not have then existed. But, in fact, other ancient maps do have just such ink. (5) Other researchers have not only claimed the blood stains are authentic but have identified the blood as male and the blood type and the DNA. The Shroud Of Turin Internet site explains that pigments were found, equally distributed across the entire cloth, no more in the image areas than in the background. But thereare known reasons explaining the presence of the pigments. 52 times in the Shroud's history, paintings were placed against it to "sanctify" the artworks. Particles of pigment would come off freshly painted artworks and even from dried ones. In 1978 the Shroud was exposed five days under a 400 year old fresco. Vibrations from busses and trucks caused particles of ochre, vermillions and other colors to loosen and fall from the ceiling. The presence of ochre and other colors is explained and the image of the Shroud seems genuine. To see details on the recent challenges, visit: New "Shroud" Claims...click here

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